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Re: Let's talk about the Oscar Nominees for 2019
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2019, 02:45:34 pm »
It starts with people noticing and discussing the underlying assumptions that stories are making, because most of the time they're so ingrained they're hard to even notice.

Yes. Exactly. I'm white and I definitely see things from a white point of view, even though I consciously try to see other viewpoints as well. Sometimes I'm successful but often I'm not. Particularly in an entertaining film. I get caught up in the story and don't analyze every aspect of it and how it might appear to someone else.

That is the very nature of propaganda. I took a course in college, German Films, Selected Topics. It was a class taught by a German teacher where you watched a series of films curated to fit into a particular topic which was different every time she taught it. The first time I took it, the topic was "Propaganda in Films."

During the course of the semester, we watched one film where the hero was a Hitler Youth. Even with all the knowledge of the implications of that, even as a Jewish person! I still found myself rooting for the boy. You get sucked into the story. Of course, that was the point of the discussion and an extremely interesting and valuable lesson to be aware of what a film is trying to sell you.

Not to say that Green Book, or any other film we might discuss here, is propaganda exactly. But most films do have something of an agenda to push. And it's very easy to get mesmerized by the entertainment and not realize that you are also getting influenced, however slightly, by the message.
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Offline Lynn2000

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Re: Let's talk about the Oscar Nominees for 2019
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2019, 11:07:43 am »
Totally agree! Storytelling is very powerful and a talented storyteller can make you root for someone even though you "know" you shouldn't. Whenever there is a murder mystery from the point of view of the villain--the murderer--like Columbo used to do for example, I find myself rooting for the villain and hoping they can get away with it. It is just so powerful to be shown things from a certain person's point of view, even if they are doing something reprehensible like killing someone more innocent out of greed, that you start to empathize with them.

So, I think it should not be difficult to empathize with a non-mainstream character, if they were the protagonist of a film--surely empathizing with a basically good person, who has a different skin color than me, would be easier than empathizing with a cold-blooded killer! (Although, I do watch a lot of action movies!) But, those films have to get made first. And then, someone has to say, "I will give this a try," even though on the surface it might not seem like it's "for them."

Another example I saw recently: I skimmed a review of a Broadway play called "The Cake" in The New Yorker. It's about a baker who is hired to make a wedding cake for a couple, but then discovers it's a lesbian couple and she feels uncomfortable with their business. (I didn't fully understand it, because it seems like she's friends with one of the brides, so you'd think she'd realize she's a lesbian by that point??) As the baker changes and grows to accept the lesbian couple and their business, she also improves her relationship with her own husband. The review said that the woman playing the baker was good, but that the lesbian couple was thinly drawn. So it seems like, again, it's a story focused on a mainstream character, who is faced with someone non-mainstream, and learns and grows from that encounter--yet the non-mainstream characters (the lesbian couple) are not very detailed or rich characters, reducing them to props for the growth of the mainstream character. Of course, sometimes it's just bad writing or bad acting, but it's doubly unfortunate when that coincides with cliches that diminish the non-mainstream characters.

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Re: Let's talk about the Oscar Nominees for 2019
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2019, 12:18:13 pm »
I just watched The Favourite, which got a lot of press and award nominations. I thought the hype over it was a little much, but then again, hype usually is. I think it's a confidently-made film and I found it interesting, and Olivia Colman and the costume/set designers definitely deserved any nominations they got. Rachel Weisz and Emma Stone weren't by any means bad, but I thought their parts were more standard court intrigue than anything super-amazing and unique. Olivia Colman, bless her lack of vanity, looked so much older than Rachel Weisz that it was hard for me to imagine they had been fast friends since childhood, so I was surprised when this was mentioned and seemed to be important. I felt sorry for the Queen because everyone just wanted to use her for something, and it was a horrible, nasty, dirty, dangerous age anyway, as this film makes clear. I doubt I'll ever feel the need to watch it again, but it wasn't a waste of my time or anything.