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Family Mystery
« on: January 01, 2019, 09:53:05 pm »
Well. I just learned there is some mystery in my family, but also managed to cut myself off from finding out what it is, possibly forever.

I have a bunch of cousins that I spent a lot of time with as a child, but have not been close with as we all married, moved cross-country, had children, etc. We are in contact on Facebook but have only seen each other maybe twice in the last 15 years.

Today one of these cousins posted something lighthearted about distant family and genealogy, and cousins X times removed, and tagged me and another person I did not know, whose name isn't familiar at all, and with whom I have no mutual friends except this cousin. I jokingly replied, asking how many degrees the stranger and I were removed. Joking.

Well, immediately the stranger replied to my comment saying we should figure it out in our DM's, and she sent me a friend request. Okay. I accepted the request and the stranger said she's my cousin's niece. Fine, whatever. I don't really know anything about my cousin's husband's family. There could be dozens of folks on that side I never heard of, they're no relation to me. So I replied back and said, "nice to meet you, I'm a cousin."

Meanwhile, my cousin also DM's me and says there's something she's been meaning to tell me about, but it needs to be a private conversation, so here's her cell number, please call.

Wut.

???????????????????????

I haven't spoken to her directly in ten years, other than FB comments like "yay for your kid's accomplishment".

I ask her when's a good time to call. Then I think about it.

I live in the same town as this cousin's parents and one sibling, though I rarely see them. My parent is in touch, though. And I am in regular contact with my parent. Our parents and siblings are the only people still living we both know. So why would anything need to be personal or private? Who is she keeping a secret from, and if she had a secret, why on earth would she ever think to tell me of all people? Like, I could not possibly be more on the outskirts of her life and still be acquainted at all. It's entirely possible that if we were wearing sunglasses or had our hair done differently than our profile pictures, we wouldn't recognize each other if we met in the street.

So I send a follow-up message. She spent enough time around me as a kid to know that I am an awkward blurter. Always was. As a matter of fact, the last time we saw each other I blurted something awkward at her. (Not hurtful, nobody's secret, just kind of a TMI non-sequitur).

I let her know that my awkward blurting thing is only getting worse with age, and that if this thing she wanted to tell me needs to be kept from certain people and not from others, it's probably better if she doesn't tell me at all. Because I can't possibly guarantee that I won't accidentally mention it, or something tangentially related to it, in the wrong person's hearing. Not out of malice, but simply because I cannot keep straight who knows what about whom and who isn't supposed to know this other ... Can't do it. Never could.

So she replies back and says, "Okay then, no need to call."

WUT????

On the one hand, I feel vindicated. Because obviously if she feels that way about it, I did the right thing by warning her.

On the other, I'm bursting with curiosity. There's got to be some familial connection between me and this "niece," that she would be okay with me knowing, but does not want the rest of her family to hear about.

Did she find a half-sibling, and doesn't want to break her parents' hearts by revealing that she knows?

Did one of her known siblings put a baby up for adoption that the rest of the family didn't know about? I don't know how old this "niece" is, but my cousin and her siblings were teenagers in the early 1980's. Packing off pregnant teen girls to have their babies in secret was certainly still done at that point, at least in the area where we grew up. It happened to a friend of mine.

Is the "niece" actually her daughter?

Or is it just something about her husband's family not getting along with each other, that has nothing to do with me anyway, and she's acting all cloak-and-dagger about nothing?

I blurted about my blurting, and now I've blurted myself right out of anything juicy to blurt! Gaaah!

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Offline Lynn2000

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Re: Family Mystery
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2019, 11:08:29 am »
Hmm, that IS mysterious. As someone who does family history research, my first thought would be that yes, one of her siblings had a secret child--I was thinking a brother might have fathered a child he never knew about until the DNA results came in on a genealogy website. But if she only has sisters, a secret child might have been less of a surprise, but still a shock to have them turn up. Could also be her own bio-child given up for adoption, considering that this "stranger" doesn't have any Facebook links to anyone else in the family. It could also be something similar about her husband's family.

I wouldn't read too much into her wanting to call you. Like, it doesn't necessarily mean it has a lot to do with you personally. It might just mean she doesn't feel comfortable writing it out on Facebook (even a private message) or in an email. Like if this is something she wants to keep more private at the moment, she may feel that typing something out is risky, as it could easily get passed on verbatim to other people. Or, it may be something complicated, that she feels works better in a dialogue setting. In fact, your very distance might have made you an attractive person to turn to, as you might know the players but not have a lot of interest or bias about them--it's probably pretty new info that she's still digesting and maybe she wanted some feedback on how other people are likely to take it.

And yeah, mentioning the blurting habit probably put her right off from telling you. :( She probably does have concerns about maintaining privacy still, but also, probably any substantial objection would be enough to suggest to her you weren't really interested, or weren't going to be the neutral sounding-board she was looking for. (Like, some people would be turned off by the secrecy itself and feel like they were going to get drawn into drama if they talked to her.) Still, I think it was right that you mentioned this to her, because if she told you something shocking and then swore you to secrecy, you might not be able to keep that promise.

If she is vaguely mentioning this on Facebook and encouraging this new person to friend relatives and so forth, though, it sounds like they are gearing up to tell the wider world about the connection, so if you just wait you may find out anyway. There are several family secrets I'm sitting on as a result of my family history research, and believe me, I don't go around hinting about them on Facebook or encouraging "strangers" to friend family members--because the people involved want them to STAY a secret. Assuming she is acting with the consent of everyone involved, my guess would be they're warming up to talking about it, and you will probably hear about it within a few weeks.

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2019, 12:31:46 pm »
Cousin replied back that she appreciates my honesty and my concern not to hurt people, and feels sure that Specific Sibling would appreciate it too. She just regrets that I won't get to know New Niece, as they have become very close in the last year and she thinks we'd hit it off.

So obviously New Neice is her sibling's secret child. And she's managed to make sure I know, with plausible deniability that she told me anything.

I let her know that I already friended New Neice. And advised her that if this connection is supposed to be a secret, she'd best remove the tags from her public post that refers to us both as cousins.

Because my parent doesn't use FB, but their nosey spouse and my siblings do. And her sibling doesn't use FB, but her mother does.

So it seems I'm not the only awkward blurter in the family, I'm just the one who admits it.

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2019, 04:38:57 pm »
Yeah, wow, her reaction sounds kind of weird to me. It sounds like she's NOT going to announce the relationship to everyone, yet she has put out enough details that people could take a good guess. I am guessing that the sibling who is the bio-parent does NOT want to reconnect at this time, but your cousin figured, that doesn't mean New Niece has to be estranged from the entire family. Which is a pretty tricky position to take--you can see why someone would want to be compassionate that way, but it also looks like she's favoring the desires of a stranger (New Niece) over those of her own sibling.

And what does she mean, YOU will never get to know New Niece? You are Facebook friends with her now, you can communicate independently. I don't know if you will bother to or not--I would kind of want to reach out to her now just because I was told I "wouldn't be able to."

I'm sure there's a complicated backstory going on here, but it doesn't sound to me like your cousin is handling this very well--is this a secret, or is it not? Well, I guess it isn't NOW.

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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2019, 06:58:02 pm »
I am totally confused. I started to think perhaps it isn't a secret per se, but just something I shouldn't bring up in conversation because it's painful.

But then she thanked me for my warning about the tags, and said she was going to change the settings so only the 3 of us could see it.

I'm just waiting now until I know my eldest sibling will be home from work. They're closest in age to these cousins, and most likely to know the story if anyone does. Or to remember any sudden wierdness/arguments/estrangements in the right time period.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2019, 10:12:35 pm »
Finally got hold of Eldest Sibling tonight. They don't remember any family ructions, whispers, or any cousins having a "study abroad" semester.

They did help me narrow down the ages and circumstances, though. Our household moved away from Hometown around the same time that Eldest Sibling went off to college, and we were able to kind of triangulate a 2+year timeframe between the period when we saw the cousins frequently, and when the last of them got married.

It fits with New Niece's apparent age range.

Now I'm wondering whether to ask my parent about it. I mean, my parent is the furthest thing from a pearl-clutcher. Wouldn't be shocked or wounded. Does not have a blurting problem (the opposite, in fact). Could have known about it all this time - when something is in "the vault," you wouldn't even know there was a vault.

I'm just wondering, ethically, if it would be violating a confidence to pursue it further. My cousin didn't technically "confide" in me. But the intention was pretty clear that she didn't want it bandied about amongst the folks back home.

But I keep coming back to the question - if it's a secret, why the heck are you posting about it on Facebook?

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 08:24:09 pm »
Yeah, that is a tough one. But a very good question to tackle here!

I have to admit I'm really curious as well! So I find myself kind of looking for reasons to tell you it's okay to pursue the matter. If you stick to what your cousin stated publicly on Facebook, and if your parent can be discreet, I think you are okay to ask your parent about it. Cousin did not really confide in you, after all; in fact she decided to definitely NOT confide in you. She merely unwisely piqued your curiosity, and that of anyone else who can read her Facebook page. She has handled this sensitive information badly.

Also, you are now Facebook friends with this new person, as encouraged by your cousin, and it would be quite natural for you to reach out to them and say hello--maybe stick to hobbies or something, and see if they volunteer anything about their origins. You could almost say it would now be rude to NOT reach out, since you have friended them. It seems to me like the new person is open to learning about their bio-family, and that is a decision that's up to the individual--it is not Cousin's role to be the gatekeeper. Having made the introduction (of sorts) between you two, Cousin cannot now say, "Never mind, forget about it," unless she is speaking on behalf of the new person.

On the other hand, you know that Cousin's intention is to keep this new person and their bio-relationship to the family quiet, even if she has gone about it poorly. So you could also choose to just set this entire matter aside in your mind, at least for the time being. If Cousin is bad at keeping secrets, and the new person really wants to meet their bio-family, then it will probably all come out anyway within the next few months.

I think it is really important to respect the wishes of the people who are most closely involved. When you are searching for your bio-family, the emotions can be extremely complicated and conflicting. I've had people tell me they WANT to know, very passionately, and then a few weeks later they get cold feet and have decided they don't want to pursue it. I always try to be respectful of their choice--finding their bio-parents might help me a little bit in my family history work, but it is a MAJOR deal to them, so it is not right for me to pressure them in any way. At the same time, if someone IS reaching out, it would be awful if bio-relatives slapped them down and were like, "Nah, I don't really care," especially a relative who was pretty removed from the original situation.

So I guess my ultimate advice is to think about the new person whom you've friended and try to follow their lead. Like maybe message them, "Hey, I'm Susan, first cousin to Beth. Always glad to meet new people. If you want to chat about anything, just let me know." Then they can reply or not as they prefer.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 08:43:29 pm »
I'm also curious about things, and hope that you update us.  I'd say that the new cousin is the child of cousin, and new cousin would love to get to know her biological family.  These things usually come out eventually nowadays right?  What I initially thought you were going to find out was that this new cousin was a con artist/junkie that was getting money out of the family and the cousin was going to warn you about it.  I'm too cynical.

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 10:17:58 am »
I'd hope if there was a scam to be warned about, secrecy would be the last thing on anyone's mind! That sort of thing should be spread widely, though I can understand being discreet about it (not the same as secret).

For example, an aunt has occasionally warned my parents that a cousin's ex-wife is trying to get money for herself or her three (grown) kids with cousin. It's not anything super-horrible, but merely unwise--like wanting someone in the family to co-sign (or whatever) a student loan for one of the kids, thus being on the hook for all that money that, realistically, the actual student won't be able to pay back. Or, wanting a family member who owns a lot of property (as a landlord) to let them live somewhere rent-free. Or, spending a lot of money to send the student on study abroad for a semester, then wanting money from the family to continue the student's domestic education. Just stuff that makes you think, "You know, if you knew you would need money for X, maybe you shouldn't have spent it on Y first." And, it's the sort of respectable thing--college education!--that someone in the family might possibly fall for and agree to, if they didn't know as much about the back story as my aunt and uncle (parents of cousin whose ex this is).

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2019, 07:51:32 pm »
Well, there's been no further direct contact from New Niece since we exchanged, "Hi I'm Cousin" and "Hi I'm her Niece."

Her FB profile looks very ordinary suburban young soccer mom. Becky Basic.

So if she's running a scam she's pretty lackadaisical about it.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2019, 08:41:15 pm »
Well, it seems like the door is open if she wants to contact you again. I would just keep an eye on her feed or whatever you normally do on Facebook, "like" an occasional photo maybe. But otherwise I probably wouldn't do anything else, and just wait and see what happens in the future.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2019, 10:01:58 pm »
New Niece invited me this week to donate to her birthday fundraiser.

I'm sure it's just one of those "invite everyone on your friends list" things that Facebook does. But I'm FB friends with a lot of people I barely know in real life, or who I have never met in person, and I don't get these from everyone.


I unfollowed her but didn't unfriend her.

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2019, 08:44:50 am »
Well, you owe her several years of birthday presents that you didn't get her because you didn't know she existed so she's just trying to get you all caught up!

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2019, 10:38:46 am »
New Niece invited me this week to donate to her birthday fundraiser.

I'm sure it's just one of those "invite everyone on your friends list" things that Facebook does. But I'm FB friends with a lot of people I barely know in real life, or who I have never met in person, and I don't get these from everyone.


I unfollowed her but didn't unfriend her.

Facebook has been pushing these a LOT. I was surprised to see that my dad, who is not very tech-savvy at all, set one up for HIS recent birthday. So it must have been incredibly quick and easy to set up, and really pushed on him by Facebook. (Since my dad is always vague about what he wants for his birthday--I'm not sure I've ever heard him say, "What I want for my birthday is..."--I was pleased he'd decided on this, and donated right away.)

I understand they can read as kind of tacky--why are you assuming I care what you want for your birthday, I didn't ask you--but I prefer to think of them as being an opportunity to mention a charity someone likes. I think it's very standard language that Facebook provides (I don't know if the person can change it or not) and according to my dad, it's a limited list of national charities so he wasn't able to pick something local that might have resonated more with the people he knows.

I also discovered that when I donated, I could choose for only my dad to see that I had done so, and the amount--so, I wasn't blasting across Facebook "I'm so awesome!" or anything that I would have felt uncomfortable with. I then went ahead and shared his request with other people on my list, so it would get wider promotion. I really thought of it as something more for the charity, not the person.