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IMO reporting someone's online behavior to their employer should only be done in the most egregious circumstances. Are they posting, "I hate (group)" or "Death to all (group)"? or marching with the Klan, or telling dumb racist/sexist jokes, or using unacceptable/outdated language (e.g., "that's so gay," "that's so re****ed," "the colored guy," "the crip parking space") out of ignorance? The first two I would consider reporting. The latter two I might address with a "dude, not cool" comment or private message.

There are a lot of hateful people out there who need to suffer some consequences for their hateful behavior. But there are also a lot of people who haven't gotten the memo that XYZ language is offensive so they continue to use it. I live in a progressive Northern state and know people who still refer to African-Americans as "colored" because that was the term we used 55-60 years ago.

And yes, I think it does depend on the person's position. Are they in a high-profile, representing-the-organization post or a menial job? I don't think most people would care if a school janitor shares dumb, racist Facebook posts on their own time (provided they do not engage in racist behavior on the job), but if a teacher or principal or superintendent did it, that's another matter.



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Wedding Etiquette / Re: 3:30 pm wedding starts at 5 pm
« on: June 17, 2019, 10:32:46 pm »
There was no apology or explanation, which is part of what has me still bothered by this.

This was a Pagan/Jewish wedding. They had the kuppa and the glass breaking and Hebrew prayers, but they also had a handfasting and other Pagan traditions. Part of me really wants to reach out to my Pagan and Jewish friends on Facebook and ask if this setting the time an hour before the actual ceremony is a Pagan thing or a Jewish thing. But I'm afraid that, no matter how tightly I lock down the post to only those specific people, word will get back to the bride or groom. There is lots of overlap in our various communities. And I definitely don't want to ask or complain to the HC directly.

I overheard a couple of the other earlybird guests speculating that the time was given as an hour early because the groom is one of those chronically late people and this was a way to ensure he got there on time. I doubt that is the case, though, as the HC spent the entire day at the venue -- bride posted about the breakfast she had there.

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Wedding Etiquette / Re: 3:30 pm wedding starts at 5 pm
« on: June 17, 2019, 12:24:50 pm »
There were quite a few of us -- I'd say 25 or 30 -- who arrived before 3:30. I was looking at the bride's Facebook this morning and someone had asked her about the timing, and she told them the ceremony would start at 4:30. I guess whoever saw that came later. We didn't.

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Work Issues / Re: Church firing dilemma
« on: June 16, 2019, 11:41:54 pm »
Here's an article https://adgcommunications.com/association-buzz/22-conflicts-of-interest-and-the-60-minutes-test on conflict of interest. It's directed at trade associations and similar nonprofit organizations but could apply to religious organizations as well. Basically it says that awarding a job or contract or whatever to a "connected" person or company is not necessarily a conflict of interest if (a) the person or company is the best qualified, (b) there is a paper trail proving this and (c) the individual who stands to benefit (e.g., the awardee's relative) recuses him/herself from voting on the decision.

As for announcing the reasons for a person's firing in public as was done with Carla, that's just all kinds of wrong. If they were arrested/convicted for a criminal act, that's public record, and the congregation has a right to know if Carla was embezzling church funds or molesting kids or other illegal behavior. But that isn't the case here. Word would probably have gotten out about why Carla was fired, because people talk, but the official public announcement thing ... just no.

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Wedding Etiquette / 3:30 pm wedding starts at 5 pm
« on: June 16, 2019, 10:03:13 pm »
Isn't it reasonable to expect, if a wedding invitation says 3:30 pm, then the ceremony is going to start somewhere in the neighborhood of 3:30 pm?

I thought so, too. Then SO and I arrived at "Mike" and "Molly's" wedding about 3:10, only to discover that we wouldn't be allowed into the room (ballroom in a hotel/restaurant complex -- ceremony and cocktail hour were to be in that room, reception in another ballroom) until 4:15.

Mind you, the invitation and the wedding website both said 3:30. Period. Not "Arrive anytime after 3:30, doors open at 4:15, ceremony at 4:30." Just 3:30.

We earlybirds-who-didn't-know-we-were-earlybirds trooped down the hall to the bar to kill time until the appointed hour.  Then it's back to the ballroom, where we mill around, take our seats, and wait ... and wait ... and wait. I'm sitting there watching my post-wedding plans go down the drain. Yes, I did make plans for later when I thought I'd be able to leave in the 6-6:30 range. SO had been at another, physically grueling event Friday night through this (Sunday) morning and was exhausted, so we had agreed to take off as soon after dinner and cake cutting as we could manage.

A few minutes before 5, the ceremony still hasn't started. SO can see my distress and tells me that if I want to bail, he can get a ride home with a fellow guest we are friends with. I actually got up to leave, only to encounter Mike, his mom and his best lady (yes, his honor attendant was female, not that there's anything wrong with that /tm Seinfeld) in the hall getting ready to go in.

No way I was going to walk out in front of the groom, so I went back in and stayed for the ceremony, which got underway a couple of minutes after 5 and was lovely. I went through the receiving line and congratulated the HC, then made a quiet exit.

I admit I was rude for leaving before the reception when they'd paid for my dinner, but in June my weekends are scheduled tighter than a cow's arse in fly season, and something like this can throw everything off. Also, I am dealing with a temporary vision issue that makes it extremely difficult for me to drive at night. With the reception start time looking like 7 pm, there was a good chance I would have to make at least some of the drive home in the dark. (My post-wedding plans, which I did get to, wrapped up before sunset.)

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Work Issues / Re: Not Always Right: Misunderstanding accent
« on: June 12, 2019, 05:15:16 pm »
Speaking of bins and accents: Years ago I read a story online -- can't remember where -- in which a woman in England was on the phone trying to arrange trash pickup service. The person she was talking to had an accent, and it took her a while to figure out that he wasn't offering her "great sex." (He was saying "gray sacks.")

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General Life / Re: Travel: Lying about child's age
« on: April 23, 2019, 10:01:45 pm »
If the difference between child rate and adult or teen rate is going to break the bank, you can't afford it.

I realize that small savings add up -- I'm a Tightwad Gazette groupie from way back, but Amy of TG fame was not into lying or scamming to save a few bucks. Cut costs where you can, legitimately, so you can afford whatever your definition of the finer things in life is.

If the etiquette question is, "Should I call her on this?" the answer is no. Unless she asks.

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Family / Re: Dear Prudie: How long to wait for kids, etc.
« on: March 30, 2019, 09:54:33 pm »
I'm in a weird situation as I share electronics with my downstairs neighbors, who were my friends for many years before they became my neighbors. They gave me, on their own initiative without me asking, a Roku box for my TV (which was also a hand-me-down from them) and an Amazon Echo, both tied to their accounts. I have never had to input a password for either one. They also gave me a laptop to use when my computer died two years ago. I'm still using it; in fact, I'm typing this on it. I pay for my own wifi. When Mr. Neighbor's Microsoft Office license expired, he renewed it so I could continue to use it on this computer, and I paid him for it. (They no longer need Office, but I do.) If they decided tomorrow that they also wanted me to chip in for a share of the Roku or Echo costs, I would gladly do so.

I wouldn't dream of sharing my (gifted) Netflix or Echo access info with anyone who didn't actually live here, even if I had the passwords. But I guess that is enough of a Thing these days that I've heard comedians joke about all the people who watch Netflix without paying for it.

As for the kids/no kids scenario, it sounds as if he really doesn't want kids but he also doesn't want to lose her, so he's stringing her along with "maybe." There comes a time when the statute of limitations expires on "maybe." I'm not a fan of giving a SO an ultimatum, but she has to decide before it is too late whether this is a deal breaker. I'm old enough to have stopped believing in the Soulmate/One True Love of My Life thing. If she desperately wants kids, and he doesn't, she needs to go find another One True Love who wants them as much as she does -- this dude isn't the one. And for heaven's sake, I hope she doesn't even think about deliberately getting pregnant in hopes he'll change his mind.

Side note: When I was married, my husband and I were militantly anti-parenthood. We couldn't stand the little buggers. When we'd go to a restaurant and they'd ask, "Smoking or nonsmoking?" (remember those days?), we'd say, "Either one as long as there are no screaming kids." After we split up, he fell in love with a woman who had two daughters (one about 8, the other about 14), and she got pregnant. He vowed to respect whatever choice she made, and she chose to keep it. I remember thinking, "M is going to change diapers? He won't even clean the cat box!"

Twenty-five years later, he's a grandpa three times over (two from the stepdaughters and one from the son they had together) and couldn't be happier. So yes, people do change -- but I wouldn't advise anyone to bank on that.

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I learned a lot of my table manners at Girl Scout camp. My parents were not sticklers; they enforced obvious things like not chewing open-mouthed or talking with mouth full, but they thought it was silly to always pass the salt and pepper together if the person requesting only wanted the salt, or to pass the whole basket of rolls instead of just handing someone a single roll. Elbows off the table, salt and pepper together ("They have to stay together because they're married!" was the Girl Scout mantra) and other such refinements I learned in the camp dining hall.

Napkin in the lap remains useless to me to this day. For one thing, unless I have a waistband to tuck it into (and that doesn't exist when one is wearing a dress), it's going to fall off. For another, it does nothing to keep food off my clothes. I am a well-endowed, plus-size woman, and if food is going to land on me, it's not going to land on my lap. I can't bring myself to tuck a napkin into my collar like a baby bib, so I rely on bending over the table when I'm eating messy food, or Lestoil (best thing for grease stains ever) when that doesn't work.

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I was about 13 when this happened. My cousin Mike was about the same age and in that eat-everything-that-isn't-nailed-down growth phase, and took his share of ribbing about it. He also gave back as good as he got.

My mom and my aunt were having a conversation about I can't remember what, when Mike chimed in on the subject from the next room.

Mom: "Ah, another country heard from!"

Me: "Yeah, Hungary!"

I've had a few more since then, but I'm especially proud of that one.

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General Discussion / Re: The "Unpopular Opinions" Thread
« on: December 22, 2018, 08:27:20 pm »
Canned parmesan is a handy low-carb substitute for breadcrumbs in meatballs and meatloaf. For this I shall be ever grateful for its existence.

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General Life / Re: Funeral flower etiquette
« on: December 22, 2018, 06:50:27 pm »
I've never thought much about where flowers go after a funeral. When my grandfather died, there were arrangements with ribbons that said "Dad" or "Uncle" or "Grampie," and they went to the cemetery to decorate the grave after the burial. I remember my father asking me if I wanted the "Grampie" ribbon. I didn't. Same thing when my father died; the flowers went to the cemetery.

As a teen I worked in a nursing home, and I remember walking into a patient's room and asking, "Oh, where did these flowers come from?" or something like that. The patient, a youngish man paralyzed by polio who was a bit of a smartass, said, "What you should be asking is, 'Who died?'" That was my first indication that sometimes funeral flowers are donated to cheer up nursing home residents.

The idea of giving flowers back to the person who bought/sent them is foreign to me. Flowers are a gift; it would never occur to me that someone would ask me to take back the flowers I gave or sent to a funeral.

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Family / Re: Care & Feeding: Santa proof, stocking color, grabby nephew
« on: December 13, 2018, 08:38:10 pm »
"Santa" was still showing up at my house when I was 10. I had my doubts, but I didn't share them with my parents, because (a) they were still willing to play along, and (b) presents! I think the "Yes, Virginia" essay is a great way to answer an older child who is asking for proof. It doesn't come right out and say that yes, there's this real, live dude who lives at the North Pole and brings presents made by elves to all the good children of the world; it's about the ability to "imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world."

I don't have children, but if I did, I would probably tell them the story of St. Nicholas and how he evolved into Santa. I would explain that Santa is pretend, and encourage them to join in the pretending if they wished to, and their dad and I would play along, within limits (no extravagant lists of presents we can't afford!). I'd also explain that some families like to pretend really hard, so they shouldn't go around telling their little friends that Santa "isn't real," because Santa is as real as you want him to be (see "within limits"). I'd probably also throw in something about how we all have the opportunity to be Santa by giving to others.

This is how my partner handled it with his daughters. It helped that their mother has some Dutch ancestry and exposed them to the Sinterklaas tradition, so they knew from an early age that Santa is a character with different interpretations in different cultures, not a literal living person.

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General Life / Re: How to get yourself not invited........
« on: November 12, 2018, 11:11:17 pm »
The following is just my own opinion and experience and I'm not criticizing anyone who feels differently.

There are certain life events that I agree are a "must attend for a friend" kind of things. Weddings, ceremonies associated with the birth of a baby and funerals definitely fall into that category for me.

However, graduation ceremonies do not. I go to my own kids' and nieces' and nephews' if I'm invited. But anyone other than that? Probably not. Now, that's not to say I wouldn't go to the party! But to sit through 2+ excruciating hours of names being called, just to witness the 15 seconds of one person crossing the stage? I think that's a lot to ask of a friend.

I don't think I've ever actually been invited to the commencement ceremony for anyone other than people I'm related to. I'd certainly send a gift, but those ceremonies can be torture!

I agree. Weddings, funerals, christenings ... these are all big events that I will gladly attend.

But graduations? Unless I am particularly close to the graduate, I don't think it's a deal breaker to not attend. I'll go to the party, if there is one, because, heck, any excuse for a party! And I will bring a gift for the grad. But any friend who is put out because I won't attend the graduation of his/her child, and chooses to end the friendship because of that, is not much of a friend, IMO.

Luckily, this hasn't come up much in my world, because grads are only given a limited number of tickets to the ceremony, and usually those are just enough for parents, siblings and maybe grandparents.

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General Life / Re: Ethics of Gender Reveal Party
« on: October 29, 2018, 11:10:05 pm »
If you subscribe to the thinking that sex and gender are two different things -- one is biology, the other is a social construct or a spectrum -- then I can see where one would have ethical objections to making a big deal out of a baby's sex. Especially if they or a loved one have experience with non-conformity to traditional sex/gender roles. Personally I know enough transgender/genderqueer/genderfluid individuals of all ages to cringe a little inside at the idea of announcing a baby's sex as a Big Event. Not that the baby will care, but it reinforces a lot of stereotypes and expectations about what this little human is/will become based on its genitalia.

And what is the purpose of making this a Big Event? So everyone can buy the proper colors and styles of clothing and accessories for the new arrival? I have a lot of friends of childbearing age who have elected not to "find out" ahead of time. One shared that she got a lot of blowback for this decision. "But how will we know what to give the baby?" As it turned out, they got a lot of unisex clothing and other gifts in "gender-neutral" colors. Which is what they wanted.

I crochet blankies for new babies. This family's first got one in their wedding colors: blue, purple and gold. Their second got one in red and yellow. Babies don't give a rip about pink or blue, but they do respond to bright colors! And if they realize at 7 or 17 or 27 or older that their gender identity doesn't exactly match what's in their pants, they have more to deal with than whether their parents made a big deal out of what was in their pants before they ever wore any.

Bottom line: If you don't want to attend a gender reveal party, don't go. It isn't necessary to give the parents a lecture on gender identity or gender politics. Etiquette offers a million different reasons to turn down an invitation -- use one.

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