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Offline STiG

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How US Government Works?
« on: November 09, 2018, 08:02:04 pm »
I get the Electoral College thing, sort of.  But now with the mid-term elections, I don't really get the difference with the House and the Senate and how it works to pass bills into law.

Here, federally, the House has all the power; the Senate does have the power to veto bills but they generally don't and pretty much rubber stamp whatever the House has passed.  Senators are appointed, not elected.

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Re: How US Government Works?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2018, 05:39:45 pm »
Americans always have to learn this stuff in school--eighth grade (~14 years old) for me. We had a half-year class on Government. Naturally it always makes things seem a lot more logical and clean than they are in real life.

The thing I don't get is, you have a bill in the House, and a committee works on the details and they run around making compromises until they think they can get the House to pass it. But then it has to go to the Senate. And the Senate basically starts all over, and comes up with their own version of the bill. If that passes, you have two versions of "the same" bill, and some mixed House-Senate committee now has to try and reconcile them. I don't know if those then have to get voted on again, or not. Honestly it is a wonder anything gets done, even when the people involved are more functional than they are currently.

Of course I might have the wrong impression of it all. If the House and the Senate are controlled by different parties, as they are now after the mid-terms, it seems like you often just get total gridlock, especially in these highly partisan days when people (on both sides) will refuse to compromise just on principle.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2018, 09:20:00 pm »
The tension between the House and the Senate was intended to balance power in several ways:

1) Many House seats over smaller geographic areas means that each constituent has a closer tie and more influence over their representative, and potential for a wider variety of views from each state. Representatives also must be re-elected more frequently, so they must keep in close touch with their voters. Representatives are allocated according to population, so the more populous states get a bigger voice.

2) The Senate has only two members from each state, which gives less-populated states a stronger voice. This is important, since less-populated states are where our natural resources and agriculture come from! It would not be a healthy or sustainable situation if the many were able to completely negate the views and needs of the few, and could lead to exploitation. The Senate also has longer terms, which encourages a longer-term view of policy, with some insulation from the volatility of popular opinion.

A proposed bill is reviewed in a House committee based on its subject matter (such as Agriculture, Energy, Budget, Education, etc), and if the committee approves it will be put to debate and then a vote in the House.

If the House passes it, it's sent to the Senate for committee review in the same way. The Senate committee may or may not make changes, and when the committee approves it, it's debated and voted in the Senate.

If the Senate passes a different version, then the leaders of each chamber appoint a Conference Committee to work out a compromise version. The compromise bill is then put a vote in each chamber (skipping the topic committees).

If the compromise bill is passed in both chambers, it goes to the White House for signing or veto.

Here's a good summary from a Congressman's website: https://carter.house.gov/how-a-bill-becomes-a-law/

And here's the overview my generation learned as kids from "Schoolhouse Rock" on TV (which doesn't address compromise versions):

Having the chambers split on party lines can lead to gridlock. But there's a significant portion of the electorate who believe that gridlock is good, because at least it keeps the government from messing anything else up. And since the whole separation-of-powers concept is supposed to create checks and balances, it's healthy to not have one party in charge of everything.

Sometimes a pushback in the midterm elections can also encourage the stronger party in Congress to look for constructive, bipartisan things to do. Which would be quite a relief!

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Re: How US Government Works?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2018, 09:46:21 am »
Watch Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. At some point in the film, Jimmy Stewart decides he wants to present a bill (he's a new and very green senator) and Jean Arthur does an excellent job of describing the process in an effort to discourage him.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031679/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Here's the conversation: (Note that she says "96 men" since at the time there were 48 states, and let's face it, all Senators at that time were men. It would now be 100 men and women!


Clarissa Saunders: You're bill is ready. You take it over there and you introduce it. You get to your feet in the Senate and take a long breath and start spouting. But, not too loud, because a couple of the Senators might want to sleep. Then, a curly headed page boy takes it up to the desk where a long faced clerk reads it, refers it to the right committee,

Jefferson Smith: Why?

Clarissa Saunders: Look, committees are small groups of Senators that have to sift a bill down, look into it, study it, report to the whole Senate. You can't take a bill nobody ever heard about and discuss it among 96 men! Where would you get?

Jefferson Smith: Yeah, I see.

Clarissa Saunders: Good. Now, where are we?

Jefferson Smith: Some committee's got it.

Clarissa Saunders: Now, days have gone by Senator. Days. Weeks! Finally, they think its quite a bill. It goes over to the House of Representatives for debate and a vote. But, it has to wait its turn on the calendar.

Jefferson Smith: The calendar?

Clarissa Saunders: Yes. That's the order of business. Your bill has to stand way back there in line unless the steering committee thinks its important...

Jefferson Smith: What's that?

Clarissa Saunders: What?

Jefferson Smith: Steering committee?

Clarissa Saunders: You really think we're getting anywhere?

Jefferson Smith: Oh, yes, Miss Sauders, now, tell me, what's the Steering committee?

Clarissa Saunders: The committee of the majority party. They decide when a bill is important enough to be moved up to the head of the list.

Jefferson Smith: Oh, this is!

Clarissa Saunders: Pardon me, this is. Where are we now?

Jefferson Smith: We're in the House.

Clarissa Saunders: Oh, yeah, the House. More amendments. More changes and the bill goes back to the Senate, The Senate doesn't like what the House did to the bill, they make more changes. The House doesn't like those changes, stymied.

Jefferson Smith: So?

Clarissa Saunders: So, they appoint men from each House to go to a huddle called a caucus and they battle it out. Finally, if your bill is still alive after all this devastation, it comes to a vote. Yes sir, the big day finally arrives - and Congress adjourns. Catching on Senator?
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Re: How US Government Works?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2018, 07:14:25 am »
Thanks, everyone!

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2018, 03:39:42 am »
Interesting. Didn’t realise all that about bills and their progress through the US House and Senate.

Where are you from STiG? Sure you’ve said at some point but I’ve forgotten. Curious that where you’re from Senators are appointed.

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Re: How US Government Works?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2018, 06:48:46 am »
Canada.  Our government is more like the UK government.

The Prime Minister or the Premier of each Province can call an election anytime, if they think it is to their advantage.  But there is a maximum 4 years between elections.  So our election days are all over the place.  The only one that is consistent is municipal government elections - they're every 4 years, in October.

Whichever party gets the most seats controls the government.  But if the opposition parties, combined, have more seats than the party in power, they can oppose anything that party proposes.  Known as a minority government.  If the controlling party has more seats than all the other parties combined, it's known as a majority government and they can push through anything they like, including things the previous government pushed through.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2018, 07:14:41 am »
Thanks, STiG. Had a feeling you were from Canada. Oz inherited UK system too but it sounds like there was some tweaking in how it was set up in each country. Similar enough that I find it way easier to understand Canadian government than US.

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Re: How US Government Works?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2018, 09:51:09 am »
Can I make a minor correction STiG? Most of the "fixed election date" laws passed federally and provincially have a 4 year term, but without those "laws" on the books, a government can go 5 years without calling an election.  And, some governments are going over 4, even if they passed a fixed election date law (*cough, cough Saskatchewan).

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2018, 10:06:35 am »
Thanks!  :)