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Offline Amara

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The "See List"
« on: July 27, 2018, 05:20:43 pm »
Today I noticed over at the BMB forum that if any member there clicks one of the icons (to indicate agree, disagree, etc.) that a link shows up next to it so anyone can click on that link to see who clicked which icon.

I find that disturbing because maybe I want my thoughts on someone's post to be private rather than public. It's not because I am ashamed of my thoughts but I might not speak up at all if the only choices are public or none. I really, really do not like it.

Is that the same way here? I haven't noticed it so I wanted to ask.

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2018, 05:59:12 pm »
It is the same way here. However, I do disagree with not liking it. I feel like it's the same thing as liking a post on FB. It's not going to influence how I interact with a poster at all or make me feel bad if I make a post and a majority disagree with it. It's just there as a way of information.



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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2018, 06:46:55 pm »
Think of it like this: If we were talking (or I were talking, and you just listening) face to face, you would have facial expressions and other body language in reaction to what I say. Since we have only text here, the buttons can work as a substitute to our body language. Both are visible to the people around you.

Unless of course you have a habit of keeping your pokerface and not show any reaction at all if you disagree with someone face to face. But in that case, I don't quite understand why you'd want to use the buttons at all.
Can you perhaps explain a bit more about what you think they should do?

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2018, 06:59:15 pm »
If you thought until now that the buttons were private, I can see how it would be alarming to realize they aren't. But as far as I've seen, on Create-a-Forum they are always public. If I "agree" with a post and there are others who have, I often check the list to see who they are. I don't know why I bother, because I'm not very good about associating screen names with history, but I do it anyway.
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Offline Amara

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2018, 08:19:22 pm »
You are right, Lynn, I had thought they were private. I was floored to see they aren't.

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2018, 11:19:53 pm »
Yeah, itís public here too. Wouldnít worry too much. So easy to push the wrong button (or is that just me!?).

I looked a few times early on but now I donít bother. Itís usually no surprise who disagrees/dislikes the post.

Still push the buttons myself pretty often (though Iím not trying to push anyoneís buttons) but thatís only because FB has me trained by this point.

Thereís also somewhere in the profile section maybe (?) where you can see how many emojis of different kinds youíve given out/received.

ETA: just checked. itís on the summary page of my profile.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2018, 12:28:39 am »
I agree, it's best not to take them too seriously--I remember when we were first using them, there were a lot of mistakes from people pushing the wrong one, especially on phones, because they're so small and close together. You can undo it for a short while, but after that you're stuck.

I don't like the "dumb" one. I think if you disagree with someone's position, you use the "disagree" or "dislike" buttons, you don't call them names. And I don't understand the "bad spelling" one. If someone spells badly we can all see that, we don't need someone to point it out. It just seems like another way to insult someone. If you have more to say than just, "I disagree with you," be straightforward and write it out, don't do the equivalent of giving them the finger and driving off.

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2018, 12:51:47 am »
If you're uncomfortable with them then feel free not to use them, we have no way to (not would we have the time or be interested in) track who votes on what.

I like them because I always thought POD was stupid and I'm not about to quote a post just to say i agree, but it let's me express agreement without having to make a new post for it. I find there are certain posters I am consistently agreeing with (Lynn2000, Crumpets and lmnop I'm giving you the side eye) but constantly quoting them is just weird and stalky.

I agree the 'dumb' and 'bad spelling' ones are..
dumb.
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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2018, 05:08:08 am »
If you're uncomfortable with them then feel free not to use them, we have no way to (not would we have the time or be interested in) track who votes on what.

I like them because I always thought POD was stupid and I'm not about to quote a post just to say i agree, but it let's me express agreement without having to make a new post for it. I find there are certain posters I am consistently agreeing with (Lynn2000, Crumpets and lmnop I'm giving you the side eye) but constantly quoting them is just weird and stalky.

I agree the 'dumb' and 'bad spelling' ones are..
dumb.



Agreed. When I looked at the emoji summary just then saw Iíd scored one for bad spelling. No idea which post or why (and it couldíve been pressed in error). So it seems fairly pointless. I rarely go back to look at a post so if Iíve typoed something, itís there to stay. Of course the only time I ever notice is after itís been quoted by someone and itís too late.  If my spelling or grammar mistake is so heinous, by all means let me know directly if itís bugging you* that much. Would rather you didnít though since thatís not really what the forum is about, is it?

*all yous general.

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2018, 09:25:44 am »
If my spelling or grammar mistake is so heinous, by all means let me know directly if itís bugging you* that much. Would rather you didnít though since thatís not really what the forum is about, is it?

I would also rather say something in a post/private message than to use the button for that, but I do disagree a bit with the bolded. I think it is part of being polite (which this forum is about) to not make it unnecessarily hard for others to understand you (<- general "you").
I have seen no bad examples on here so far, but have seen them on other forums before and have absolutely asked for improvement there, regardless of the forum's topic.
It's one thing if you misspell one word here and there or forget a period or a question mark. It's an entirely different thing if you, for example, write completely without punctuation, or with countless abbreviations or phonetic spelling. That can make it quite a chore to read through a text.

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2018, 09:51:09 am »
Well, since we're going there... I do agree that if someone has such horrible spelling/grammar that it's almost impossible to read their posts, it would be fine to let them know this, either in a thread or by PM. If something is really that incomprehensible it almost seems like spam rather than a meaningful contribution. But do you (general) really think that clicking "bad spelling" is what will get the person to change their ways? I seriously doubt it. That's why I think that option is so pointless. Anyone whose spelling/grammar is poor enough that it would be "okay" to mark them as "bad spelling" in earnest, is not going to be able to fix the issue themselves or maybe even recognize that it's a problem from that mark alone. They'll need a fuller explanation and encouragement.

Anyway, I really doubt that's going to be an issue here, at least I don't remember it being so on any of the previous forums. Something like TVTropes, a wiki where anyone can contribute, gets a lot of people suspended for spelling/grammar issues--it looks unprofessional on the pages, so other people have to go around cleaning up after them, so that site is pretty strict.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2018, 10:52:16 am »
If my spelling or grammar mistake is so heinous, by all means let me know directly if itís bugging you* that much. Would rather you didnít though since thatís not really what the forum is about, is it?

I would also rather say something in a post/private message than to use the button for that, but I do disagree a bit with the bolded. I think it is part of being polite (which this forum is about) to not make it unnecessarily hard for others to understand you (<- general "you").
I have seen no bad examples on here so far, but have seen them on other forums before and have absolutely asked for improvement there, regardless of the forum's topic.
It's one thing if you misspell one word here and there or forget a period or a question mark. It's an entirely different thing if you, for example, write completely without punctuation, or with countless abbreviations or phonetic spelling. That can make it quite a chore to read through a text.
Well, since we're going there... I do agree that if someone has such horrible spelling/grammar that it's almost impossible to read their posts, it would be fine to let them know this, either in a thread or by PM. If something is really that incomprehensible it almost seems like spam rather than a meaningful contribution. But do you (general) really think that clicking "bad spelling" is what will get the person to change their ways? I seriously doubt it. That's why I think that option is so pointless. Anyone whose spelling/grammar is poor enough that it would be "okay" to mark them as "bad spelling" in earnest, is not going to be able to fix the issue themselves or maybe even recognize that it's a problem from that mark alone. They'll need a fuller explanation and encouragement.

Anyway, I really doubt that's going to be an issue here, at least I don't remember it being so on any of the previous forums. Something like TVTropes, a wiki where anyone can contribute, gets a lot of people suspended for spelling/grammar issues--it looks unprofessional on the pages, so other people have to go around cleaning up after them, so that site is pretty strict.

Itís the nitpicking kind of correction I had in mind. The type that serves no obvious purpose except to make the person doing the correcting feel superior. My assumption is that everyone is a grown up and doesnít need me or anyone else policing their spelling/grammar for the most part, for example, telling someone the word they wanted was rein, not reign or that theyíve split an infinitive.

Of course, if someone isnít sure what another person is trying to communicate (for whatever reason), itís reasonable to ask for clarification. If theyíve written a huge wall of text asking for them to break it up seems ok. Also if someone asks for feedback on grammar/spelling, then sure.

I havenít seen anyone on this forum (or its precursor) with spelling so bad their post was incomprehensible. Not saying it canít happen but the errors Iíve observed (including my own) on this forum donít usually go beyond the odd typo. So thatís the context I had in mind when I commented.

Itís a bit like a conversation though - if someone I was talking with kept interrupting me to correct my grammar/spelling, I probably wouldnít be keen on interacting with that person very much. If I was talking total gibberish, they probably wouldnít want to hang around either.

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Re: The "See List"
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 08:50:15 am »
I'm actually really glad the list is public. It'd be far too easy to abuse it for trolling purposes otherwise.
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